Some notes I jotted down listening to a Carl Trueman lecture on the Medieval Church:
Greek Orthodox/Eastern Orthodox:
- High view of the Trinity.
- Highly-elaborate ritual and liturgy.
- Importance placed on icons, with theological arguments made for why dieficiation is given to these (vs. perceiving them as graven images)
- To Eastern Orthodox, icons are an idealized, divinized portrait of what they represent, with a theosis present, or a taking of God's power. With relics, there is something ontalogically transforming the item (similar to the human body of saints, hence why relics are important.)
Of course I disagree with their view of relics, but I did find it interesting to understand a little bit more of the background as to why they believe this. I visited a Greek Orthodox church ages ago, and noticed the elaborate ritual. I was impressed by the importance placed on head coverings, as this was something mandated for all women visiting, as the church adhered to a very high-view of I Cor. 11 (in many ways this was important for me in researching deeper into the head covering issue - that, and Sproul's comments on the topic.)
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Thursday, July 7, 2011
Saturday, May 7, 2011
1 Corinthians 7:13–14, Piper and Infant Baptism
John Piper has an interesting and brief post here addressing I Cor. 7:13-14, one of those "proof" texts used by paedobaptists. I like Piper's response - I just wish that he didn't teach that paedobaptist believers should be allowed to become members of Baptist churches without being baptised as believers (in other words, baptized correctly.)
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Monday, January 24, 2011
Sproul on Head Covering
Excerpt from Now, That's a Good Question
, a book in which R.C. Sproul takes on a number of various theological questions, and particularly a section on Dr. Sproul's thoughts on the relevance of head coverings for today (per the Apostle Paul's instruction in I Cor. 11). This is free over at Google Books and also on Amazon
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Wednesday, January 19, 2011
I Cor. 11:17-34, the Lord's Supper and Prescient WiFi
Some reflections on the Lord's Supper, while I'm working in the local Methodist cafe using their free "prescient WiFi" (I foresaw in advance this morning that I would be using their wifi for job searches and blogging.) The UMC is NOT my first choice theologically, but they have a nice quiet cafe for computer work, so who am I to refuse?
At ORRB family camp this summer the pastors talked about various ordinances of the church, including the Lord's Supper and the instructions from I Cor. 11. One of the things I found really nutty about the Methodist application of this meal was that that pastor, prior to distribution of the elements, would give a fairly watery (and non-Scriptural) warning that the elements were only to be partaken by believing Christians or those considering becoming Christians. This struck me as odd: so basically, someone could be in the audience of a Methodist church, could think, "Hmmm, that was a nice message, and that brief sermon about self-righteous moralism felt really good to me. Maybe I'll try some communion!" I can't see this without finding it problematic.
Per the church discussion this summer, this faulty UMC view of communion is apparently something like a "half-way covenant", which allows for people merely thinking about becoming believers to eat the meal. The point made from family camp was that believers should iron out the implications and decide for themselves prior to taking the elements. The Apostle Paul lays out some stern warnings in I Cor. for the wrongful taking of the elements, and I think it ultimately detracts for the importance and symbolism of the meal to do it is such a frivolous manner. But the UMC has a habit of cherry-picking what they want to believe from the Holy Spirit's words through the Apostle Paul (primarily from I Tim. 2, but that's another can o' worms...)
Another thought is on the usage of the word "sacrament". I've discussed this one with Presbyterian Dad recently, and I'm not sure its an accurate label to refer to either of the ordinances (Baptism and the Lord's Supper) as sacraments, because by definition a sacrament implies that a measure of grace is ALWAYS imparted as part of the act. I don't agree with this position for a number of reasons, but the primary objection would be on the grounds that, much like in the UMC, an ordinance like the Lord's Supper could be taken in a totally hollow, superficial manner - so how or why would grace be imparted in that situation, to an individual who's just sitting there and appreciating the taste of the elements without giving any genuine reflective thought to the meaning of those elements? Likewise with baptism, particularly paedobaptism, I don't see how the term of "sacrament" would apply in situations where a Presbyterian infant is sprinkled with water, and then that child grows up and walks from the faith for the rest of their life. Where, then, is the grace? Was it wastefully imparted to one who was never elect in the first place?
The term "ordinance" refers more to instructions from Christ - he instructed his followers to baptize and to remember him through the elements of the Supper. *IF* grace is imparted as part of this act, then praise the Lord. But the blanket understanding of grace always being a part of these ordinances doesn't seem to work, especially in situations of individuals who don't partake in a deeper meditative understanding of what these ordinances represent. And how can a toddler know what those baptismal waters of death really represent?
At ORRB family camp this summer the pastors talked about various ordinances of the church, including the Lord's Supper and the instructions from I Cor. 11. One of the things I found really nutty about the Methodist application of this meal was that that pastor, prior to distribution of the elements, would give a fairly watery (and non-Scriptural) warning that the elements were only to be partaken by believing Christians or those considering becoming Christians. This struck me as odd: so basically, someone could be in the audience of a Methodist church, could think, "Hmmm, that was a nice message, and that brief sermon about self-righteous moralism felt really good to me. Maybe I'll try some communion!" I can't see this without finding it problematic.
Per the church discussion this summer, this faulty UMC view of communion is apparently something like a "half-way covenant", which allows for people merely thinking about becoming believers to eat the meal. The point made from family camp was that believers should iron out the implications and decide for themselves prior to taking the elements. The Apostle Paul lays out some stern warnings in I Cor. for the wrongful taking of the elements, and I think it ultimately detracts for the importance and symbolism of the meal to do it is such a frivolous manner. But the UMC has a habit of cherry-picking what they want to believe from the Holy Spirit's words through the Apostle Paul (primarily from I Tim. 2, but that's another can o' worms...)
Another thought is on the usage of the word "sacrament". I've discussed this one with Presbyterian Dad recently, and I'm not sure its an accurate label to refer to either of the ordinances (Baptism and the Lord's Supper) as sacraments, because by definition a sacrament implies that a measure of grace is ALWAYS imparted as part of the act. I don't agree with this position for a number of reasons, but the primary objection would be on the grounds that, much like in the UMC, an ordinance like the Lord's Supper could be taken in a totally hollow, superficial manner - so how or why would grace be imparted in that situation, to an individual who's just sitting there and appreciating the taste of the elements without giving any genuine reflective thought to the meaning of those elements? Likewise with baptism, particularly paedobaptism, I don't see how the term of "sacrament" would apply in situations where a Presbyterian infant is sprinkled with water, and then that child grows up and walks from the faith for the rest of their life. Where, then, is the grace? Was it wastefully imparted to one who was never elect in the first place?
The term "ordinance" refers more to instructions from Christ - he instructed his followers to baptize and to remember him through the elements of the Supper. *IF* grace is imparted as part of this act, then praise the Lord. But the blanket understanding of grace always being a part of these ordinances doesn't seem to work, especially in situations of individuals who don't partake in a deeper meditative understanding of what these ordinances represent. And how can a toddler know what those baptismal waters of death really represent?
Wednesday, November 3, 2010
I Corinthians 11 and Why I am not a Methodist
I was recently at a Methodist church in town (not for worship, but rather for coffee at their poshly-decorated coffee nook/gift shop), and while there I took a look at some of their documents and doctrine, and more or less confirmed what I already knew about Methodism, and affirmed why I am NOT a Methodist. It has less to do with their ordination of women (which, of course I have some I Tim. 2 issues with) or their Armenian traditions (which I have some Romans 8 issues with) but more over the Weslean tradition and Wesley's 25 articles. Per this one:
Article XVII—Of Baptism
Baptism is not only a sign of profession and mark of difference whereby Christians are distinguished from others that are not baptized; but it is also a sign of regeneration or the new birth. The Baptism of young children is to be retained in the Church.
I've yet to see from Scripture where baptism of children or infants is illustrated or instructed. From the churches site, "Those that are baptized as children must make the choice to confirm their belief in Christ to continue as members of the church." To continue as members? I do not understand the strange idea of a half-sacrament. Scripture seems to give a solid example of baptism of professing adults, not children. How can baptism be done with the idea that a confirmation needs to follow separately?
The other article that caught my attention was sixteen, on the "sacraments":
Article XVI—Of the Sacraments
Sacraments ordained of Christ are not only badges or tokens of Christian men’s profession, but rather they are certain signs of grace, and God’s good will toward us, by which he doth work invisibly in us, and doth not only quicken, but also strengthen and confirm, our faith in him.
I've come to question recently the usage of the word "sacrament", since, by definition, it's held to be a means of divine grace, and when individuals partake of the Lord's Supper, or baptism, they may, or may not, be partaking in these ordinances with the right heart attitude (a non-believer could ask to be baptized - likewise a non-believer could take the elements of the Supper). So in these situations, is grace ALWAYS understood to be imparted? I can think of individuals who have walked from the faith but yet were baptized as infants. Was grace still imparted in that infant baptism? I would argue not - not just because I do not recognize infant baptism as a valid administation of the baptism ordinance, but because the implication becomes that grace was poured out and essentially WASTED. I don't think that's right, and this also seems to clash with the reformed doctrine of limited atonement.
Another thought: per MW, the English word sacrament is from the Latin sacramentum, which means to make holy, or to consecrate. Yet are the elements made holy? Or is the meal, as an ordinance, one of remembrance? It feels a little like treading into glorifying the meal and the components of the meal, more than the message of the meal, and understanding, per I Cor. 11, the propriety of worship and the proper observation of the meal and preparation of the heart. This reminds me of another fault with this particular UM church, as on it's site, regarding the Lord's Supper, the warning was merely, "God offers this relationship to everyone, so all who desire to receive are welcome to participate." All who desire to receive, regardless of genuine faith and repentance? I was at a UM church long ago, and I recall how, as the elements were about to be distributed, the pastor gave the feeble warning of, "Only partake of these elements if you are a Christian, or thinking of becoming one..." I'm sure that was right out of I Cor. 11.
There are other things, but those are some of the principle reasons I'm not a Methodist. Another note from the site was about "If You Have Children", followed by instructions on where to put them for church (because, why would you want them with you during the worship service? That's just silly to worship together as a family.)
Article XVII—Of Baptism
Baptism is not only a sign of profession and mark of difference whereby Christians are distinguished from others that are not baptized; but it is also a sign of regeneration or the new birth. The Baptism of young children is to be retained in the Church.
I've yet to see from Scripture where baptism of children or infants is illustrated or instructed. From the churches site, "Those that are baptized as children must make the choice to confirm their belief in Christ to continue as members of the church." To continue as members? I do not understand the strange idea of a half-sacrament. Scripture seems to give a solid example of baptism of professing adults, not children. How can baptism be done with the idea that a confirmation needs to follow separately?
The other article that caught my attention was sixteen, on the "sacraments":
Article XVI—Of the Sacraments
Sacraments ordained of Christ are not only badges or tokens of Christian men’s profession, but rather they are certain signs of grace, and God’s good will toward us, by which he doth work invisibly in us, and doth not only quicken, but also strengthen and confirm, our faith in him.
I've come to question recently the usage of the word "sacrament", since, by definition, it's held to be a means of divine grace, and when individuals partake of the Lord's Supper, or baptism, they may, or may not, be partaking in these ordinances with the right heart attitude (a non-believer could ask to be baptized - likewise a non-believer could take the elements of the Supper). So in these situations, is grace ALWAYS understood to be imparted? I can think of individuals who have walked from the faith but yet were baptized as infants. Was grace still imparted in that infant baptism? I would argue not - not just because I do not recognize infant baptism as a valid administation of the baptism ordinance, but because the implication becomes that grace was poured out and essentially WASTED. I don't think that's right, and this also seems to clash with the reformed doctrine of limited atonement.
Another thought: per MW, the English word sacrament is from the Latin sacramentum, which means to make holy, or to consecrate. Yet are the elements made holy? Or is the meal, as an ordinance, one of remembrance? It feels a little like treading into glorifying the meal and the components of the meal, more than the message of the meal, and understanding, per I Cor. 11, the propriety of worship and the proper observation of the meal and preparation of the heart. This reminds me of another fault with this particular UM church, as on it's site, regarding the Lord's Supper, the warning was merely, "God offers this relationship to everyone, so all who desire to receive are welcome to participate." All who desire to receive, regardless of genuine faith and repentance? I was at a UM church long ago, and I recall how, as the elements were about to be distributed, the pastor gave the feeble warning of, "Only partake of these elements if you are a Christian, or thinking of becoming one..." I'm sure that was right out of I Cor. 11.
There are other things, but those are some of the principle reasons I'm not a Methodist. Another note from the site was about "If You Have Children", followed by instructions on where to put them for church (because, why would you want them with you during the worship service? That's just silly to worship together as a family.)
Friday, October 22, 2010
I Corinthians 15:22
Our trip to the children's doctor last week brought to mind some ideas for this post. We had a long discussion with the doctor about the vaccine/autism controversy, and our doctor, while very cautious in the administration of vaccines to small kids, mentioned that in her own research, the rapid rise of autism shouldn't be blamed entirely on vaccines, but instead that there are a number of environmental factors that play a part: toxins in food, water, the air, our clothing, etc.
As we discussed this, it really brought home to me the reminder that we do live in a fallen world, and as, part of the punishment and curse of sin is the effects we experience from the fallen world.
“For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:22)
There can be a temptation in our lives to think that, if we feel good, we have things and stuff and have no problems, that we are in a way indestructible. But the reality is that we are under the taint and curse of Adam, and as such, the world that we live in is equally fallen, leaving us prone to sickness and illness from our environment and other factors. No matter how clean we scrub the earth and sky, and how well we take care of our bodies, all of us are under sin's curse, of which the outcome for all of us is death.
But praise God for the gift of Jesus Christ, and his free gift of grace, shared for us on the cross of Calvary! While our mortal bodies are still prone to the ravages of sin and death, we have hope in the resurrection of our Savior!
Now while we live by faith and know that there is life everlasting beyond our mortal bodies, at the same time, this assurance of grace and salvation should not make us cynical to the responsibility to be good stewards of our health and the planet. The body...
“...is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God” (I Cor. 1:19)
and the earth...
“...is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it” (Psalm 24:1)
We have a responsibility to care for both, not under legalistic obligation, but rather doing so to give God the glory and honor. We should be mindful of caring for the bodies he's given to us, and also do what we can to take care of the earth, while being cautious not to fall into the trap of worshiping self or the earth.
We have remarkable designed bodies, and the world around us is beautiful and wonderfully made. We should continuously give praise and glory to the God who gives us our lives and a world to love Him in, all the while looking forward to the return of our Savior and the new life to come.
As we discussed this, it really brought home to me the reminder that we do live in a fallen world, and as, part of the punishment and curse of sin is the effects we experience from the fallen world.
“For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:22)
There can be a temptation in our lives to think that, if we feel good, we have things and stuff and have no problems, that we are in a way indestructible. But the reality is that we are under the taint and curse of Adam, and as such, the world that we live in is equally fallen, leaving us prone to sickness and illness from our environment and other factors. No matter how clean we scrub the earth and sky, and how well we take care of our bodies, all of us are under sin's curse, of which the outcome for all of us is death.
But praise God for the gift of Jesus Christ, and his free gift of grace, shared for us on the cross of Calvary! While our mortal bodies are still prone to the ravages of sin and death, we have hope in the resurrection of our Savior!
Now while we live by faith and know that there is life everlasting beyond our mortal bodies, at the same time, this assurance of grace and salvation should not make us cynical to the responsibility to be good stewards of our health and the planet. The body...
“...is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God” (I Cor. 1:19)
and the earth...
“...is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it” (Psalm 24:1)
We have a responsibility to care for both, not under legalistic obligation, but rather doing so to give God the glory and honor. We should be mindful of caring for the bodies he's given to us, and also do what we can to take care of the earth, while being cautious not to fall into the trap of worshiping self or the earth.
We have remarkable designed bodies, and the world around us is beautiful and wonderfully made. We should continuously give praise and glory to the God who gives us our lives and a world to love Him in, all the while looking forward to the return of our Savior and the new life to come.
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Monday, June 1, 2009
Sanctification
I listened to a SermonAudio message by Les Walthers yesterday on the topic of sanctification. And although the audio quality of the mp3 left something to be desired, the message was a good one. Two views brought up by Pastor Walthers in the message were those of, on one side, perfectionism, a view not taught in the Bible (and ultimately one impossible to hold to) and on the other side, the view that sin isn't all that serious and doesn't need to bother the believer.
The writer of Hebrews speaks of sanctification with the instruction to "pursue holiness", and that we should be especially set apart for God. Sanctification is just as important in the believers life as is our justification.
Pastor Walthers elaborated on three different categories of sanctification:
The writer of Hebrews speaks of sanctification with the instruction to "pursue holiness", and that we should be especially set apart for God. Sanctification is just as important in the believers life as is our justification.
Pastor Walthers elaborated on three different categories of sanctification:
- The sanctification of God (such as described in the book of Ezekiel: God is set apart from the false gods of the time)
- The sanctification of Man (in the Old Testament, this was a sanctification of self through separation from what was unclean)
- The sanctification of the Redeemer (John 17 speaks about how Jesus sanctified Himself)
Another point made in the message was aimed at the unbelieving spouse (from I Cor. 7:12-14) in which the unbelieving spouse is sanctified through the believing spouse. In this situation, the non-believing partner is privileged to witness a living display of the gospel.
Sanctification is about the believer being set apart more and more for God. This is a continuing process by the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Here's a link to Pastor Walther's message.
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